Well, then it sounds like it might go down the path of Asperger’s with intense fights and everything. But generally, PDA or is are kind of, I don’t know better, more skilled at communication, and more socially interested and, and they use imagination a great deal as part of this profile. More later, if you want, but I think it calls for this broader look at autism where advocates in the UK especially the ones working in PDA, feel like America, we have this old fashioned male stereotypical view of autism, that’s so outdated, where PDA also looks at autism more broadly, and includes many more individuals and girls and women. So they share similarities with kind of the rest of the autistic folks in terms of, you know, kind of differences in how they experience the world. And there was papers, you know, written and books written in a PDA society form for resources. And that as it people researched it, and started to talk about it in the UK, became known as PDA pathological demand avoidance. And they did that by this need for control. And this subgroup had in common, this intensive need to avoid the everyday demands of life. So years ago, and like in the 80s, a psychologist in London, who was doing many, many diagnostic evaluations for individuals with autism, noticed the pattern that there was the subgroup of individuals who were different than all the rest of the autistic children and adults, but very similar to each other. So let me let me start with a tiny bit of history, because I think it’s helpful. So it’s really this demand avoidance profile of autism that’s recognized in other countries, but new to America. But since we’re trying to build awareness in America, we didn’t want to mess with the name. There’s one PDA-er in the UK, who is trying to regain rename it a pervasive drive for autonomy, which is part of kind of when we talk about PDA, you’re gonna, you’re gonna recognize that that’s probably a good title for it. So sometimes we call it the demand avoidance profile of autism. And many people, especially autistic individuals, and PDA-ers, don’t like the word pathological, as part of the title of PDA. And a lot of people don’t like what it really stands for much better. But so maybe, secondly, I want to apologize for the horrible kind of acronym PDA, because everyone does think of public display of affection. So first, I want to say, I’m an expert for America, in PDA, and we’re just starting in this. ![]() If it’s not a public display of affection, what is it? Well, you are a clinical social worker who’s an expert in PDA. ![]() We’re talking about the PDA that Diane Gould is going to teach us about and I’m not going to steal her thunder, and even tell you what PDA, Diane Gould is going to tell us. And we don’t mean public displays of affection. Diane Gould is not only a clinical social worker, but she is an expert in some I want to learn about PDA. And today, we’re so lucky to have coming to us from Chicago. Welcome to another episode of Exploring Different Brains. Or look for us on your favorite podcast provider:
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